So, since it's been interspersed around a few other threads, I thought I'd get it going on its own thread...

Herman Cain.

Busted? Who busted him? Was it Romney? Is it the Vast Left Wing Conspiracy? The women he allegedly harrassed? Himself, inadvertantly?

Here's a post I put on a different thread when asked for my opinion about it...



So...in spite of having said he had no knowledge whatsoever about any allegations or settlement, Cain himself said that he told his staff about it in 2003, but that the claims were "baseless".

Apparently he forgot telling his staff that, too.

Now his campaign manager tells FoxNews that the Perry campaign did it...

"The actions of the Perry campaign are despicable," Mark Block told Fox News in an interview. "Rick Perry and his campaign owe Herman Cain and his family an apology."

...which wouldn't surprise me, but I hope he has more than just his smoking cigarette and a big mouth to back up the accusation. If Perry didn't do it, he should ask Cain at the next debate why he thinks he did, and what evidence he has for that claim, and that if he has good evidence about it, he'll apologize right there in front of the country for it...making Cain look like even more of an ass than he did when he hoped that China wouldn't develop nuclear capabilities (said capabilities, of course, were developed in the 60's).

Ann Coulter and Sean Hannity, two people with no knowledge of anything at all, really, but especially not about anything involved in this issue, blame it on Obama.

No surprise there, since Coulter would blame sunspots and the Rangers' loss in the World Series on Obama as a Muslim Kenyan Socialist Plot, too...because she is that stupid...or more to the point, she is that crazy and her listeners are that stupid.

So what's the worse thing in this case?

That he did sexually harrass those women?

That he's obviously lying about it, which is not evidence that he did it, but it makes him look even more stupid than usual, which takes some doing?

Does it even matter?

He and Perry both have used the phrase "intellectual question" when asked about things they clearly don't understand or have knowledge of, somehow finding strength in their lack of understanding and knowledge of basic facts, basic facts that those "intellectual elites" know, and since they claim to be against the elites, it follows that they are against facts and other inconvenient things...as are many, if not most of their followers...will their followers mind if he harrassed the women? Will they mind that he lied about it? Will they mind that he's not qualified to be on the city council of some tiny podunk town in West Virginia, much less a national politician?

My thoughts...

It doesn't matter much, really, because the non-reality based part of the electorate (those who tend to vote for Republicans), if they like Cain, will like him in spite of any and all evidence against him...so long as he himself doesn't cop to it. They'll believe any story of conspiracy, and possible reason for those Feminazi Women to make up such a story, and will even swallow the idea that it is a Liberal Plot that forced the Restaurant Association to pay out tens of thousands of dollars to bury his bad behavior.

Why? Because that's the kind of stuff they like to believe.

In the long run, I think it's academic...there's no way in hell Cain was going to get the nomination before this, and he sure as hell isn't going to get it now.

There will be another Republican hopeful or two that will shoot to the top just like Bachmann, Perry, and now Cain have, and in the end they'll fall back, like they did, and Romney will be the only one standing at the end.

Why?

They want anyone...anyone...other than Romney. He's a flip flopping Cultist pseudo-conservative. Unfortunately all of his Republican opponents are fruitcakes...serious fruitcakes...and as soon as any of them get "to the top", they go ahead and show it, and back down to obscurity they go.

The only exception might be Huntsman, and though he's not fruitcake enough to get toppled if he made it to the top, unfortunately for him he's not fruitcake enough to ever make it there, either.

Sound weird? Yeah, well that's Republican politics for you in the TeaDoucheBaggery world that Republicans live in.

Anyway...thoughs about Cain?

Fish on...

Todd

P.S. And just for kicks and grins...while I was typing this and listening to the news, apparently a third woman is alleging that she was sexually harrassed by Cain, too.

The plot thickens.

A third woman has come forward. Stick a fork in Cain - he's done.

Flab Slappy thinks this is all just a liberal media witch hunt though...



FOX News must not be pursuin' the story... I'd guess.

Marsha, don't count on it...just listen to the Blathering Big Mouths on FauxNews, where these dipshits get their "facts", "ideas", and...uhhh..."logical arguments"...they don't consider anyone to the left of Atilla the Hun to be an actual human, so it's ok for Cain to rip on the protestors.

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Todd

That's for sure...it seems that the entire right wing plan is centered around standing there with a loaded gun aimed at their own feet, and then pulling the trigger repeatedly...then blame the pain on someone else.

Sad times to be part of the Right Wing TeaDoucheBaggery Party...true conservatives haven't had much of a party for years, now they *really* don't have one.

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Todd

I called it at Thanksgiving...mebbe I was being too generous.

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Todd

Can hardly wait for all of this election crap to be over. That way the elected folks can concentrate on different partisan crap to confuse the masses.

Only a year to go.

Ahhh, yes. Reminds me of a personal favorite moment in American cinema...

Governor

Not sure if this was the best place for this post, but I figure it has relevance in just about any political thread.

So, this morning's developments...

The second woman received upwards of $45,000 in her "it's not a settlement, it's an agreement, one that I never heard of and surely didn't sign, but told my campaign advisor about"...that's what? $80,000 now paid out?

I wonder how much the third woman received, if any. My thought is that she didn't get an "agreement", so is free to share her story...and will.

Politically speaking, the most astounding part of this is that ten days before Politico ran the story they contacted Cain and told him they were going to run it in ten days...not only did he have no comment, but he couldn't even manage to come up with a coherent story during those ten days and ended up being caught in half a dozen lies as his story changed repeatedly over eight or ten hours...that might be the biggest fail so far (other than the alleged harrassments, of course).

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Todd

And...now a fourth woman appears...along with what looks like at least half a dozen people at the NRA that knew about it when it happened...

Cain's campaign manager yesterday blames on Perry's campaign, says Anderson, a Perry consultant who used to work for Cain, absolutely must be the one who did it, and that it was "despicable", and that he and Perry owe Cain and his family an apology.

Anderson tells him to go to Hell, it wasn't him, he didn't even know about it...and Cain's campaign manager says he's "thrilled" because Cain always liked and respected Anderson.

Cain, of course, is still on the "it is all a 100% fabrication" story...which, as usual, is the lie that will finally bury him.

Also, just a week or two after Cain said that "racism doesn't exist" and that it's your own damn fault if you are being put down, claims that this is...drum roll...racism directed at him.

Apparently it only exists towards him, and not anyone else of color.

My original guess that he'd be done by Thanksgiving is looking more and more generous each and every day...today was the day for him to fix it all up before the weekend, and instead he dug in his heels...he might not make it thru next week.

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Todd

I agree Cain is done. Now who does the Tea Party have left. No one! They really don't like Romney but will have to hold their noses and vote for him.

So the question will become can a very weak republican cantidate beat a very weak democrat incumbunt?

Perry's crazy enough to qualify as Bagger material...but does anyone really want to try another Texas governor, even the 'Baggers?

Maybe there's still time for Rand Paul to get in on the action!

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Todd

Yeah, that's the "half a dozen people at NRA knew of it at the time" reference I was making...I made a bet with Rico that he wouldn't last past Thanksgiving...I think I'll be collecting on that bet

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Todd

P.S. Just in case the Republicans aren't imploding enough, Cain's campaign blaming it on Perry's campaign sure didn't help...and now today I hear that Perry's campaign is blaming it on...wait for it...Romney's campaign.

These guys are buffoons...and Obama is laughing his ass off at all of them.

Actually, it was Obama who leaked the story after Cain looked at Michelle just a little too long

One more swirls around the bowl, I can't believe anybody takes these clowns seriously.


Fishy

Herman's threatening a lawsuit against Politico now...which I would say is the last nail in the coffin housing his denial...

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Todd

TF

I can't figure out if this was the first or the second woman?

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Todd

Do any of Cains accusers have names? I am no Cain supporter, but if
I was I would be irate at the media smear going on with seemingly
nebulous accusations and rumor mongering. Media usually gets it
wrong anyway, based on their track record.
Idiots and cretins. So damaged they they don't even know what the
words mean.

Giggle on.

I would say the one on live TV right now has a name, also a pretty convincing story. Apparantly another will appear this afternoon. He's done. Too bad. I kinda liked him.

Cain's doing the predictable, which is what most would do, I suppose, which is to even more vehemently deny it...which is cool, if he's not lying...but is the part that gets you totally creamed when you are lying...and it's starting to look more and more like he's going to take this one right in the chops.

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Todd

P.S. It doesn't matter too much in the long run, as there's no way in hell he ever gets the Republican nomination...he's got what he wanted out of the campaign/book tour, he should bail now before it gets worse.

Of course it will be Romney.

The interesting thing to see will be the reaction of the TeaBagger/Right Wing Religious Zealots.

They all think Mormonism is a cult (and, of course, that their cult is better than someone else's)...and Right Wing Christian Fruitcakes have held that opinion for decades.

Will they hold their noses and vote for an anti-Christian Cultist, because at least he's not a Nigerian/Kenyan Socialist Muslim?

Or...more likely to my thinking...will they once again rewrite history and all of a sudden accept Mormonism into their cult, saying that they're all Christians now?

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Todd

Pretty convincing story??? Dave what about that time at 3 Rivers you grabbed my crotch? Is that convincing? Maybe I could hire Gloria as my attorney and get a huge pay day for my "convincing story" too. Doesn't need to be true...just convincing?

I wan't to hear more about Dave grabbing your crotch.

Same ol' right wing hypocrisy as ever...you'd be calling for his head if he was a Democrat, but now it's "want to see proof" because it's one of your right wing fruitcake brethren.

Doesn't the mental gymnastics required to be so fuckin hypocritical ever get tiresome? It gets tiresome to watch so much.

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Todd

Whoa.

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Todd

How vulgar.

Put a fork in Mr. Cain, he's done.

On the periphery of these accusations is the absurdity that accusations or actual sexual misconduct equals complete and total political suicide and/or death, while bringing your country into armed conflict, or starting wars under false pretense is doesnt result with the same media reaction or consequence.

Make one inappropriate advance at any point in your life with a woman, and your political career could later be in extreme jeopardy as you are crucified by the media. Sexual misconduct is viewed as a political deathtouch.

Bring a nation to war, or continue to support wars which result in the death of thousands of soldiers and possibly a million+ civilians, or pick any other crime that shold have a higher penalty in terms of political suicide...and you are not persecuted under the media spotlight intensity. The whole freakshow is just wrong in my mind.

If sending thousands to their deaths in retarded wars didn't make billions and billions of dollars for some "Americans", then it would get you in trouble, too...but if you do things to benefit the Military/Industrial Complex that runs our country, then you are virtually assuring yourself a bright political future.

That's why a dolt like Dumbya gets two terms in the White House.

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Todd

It's Monday, I figure you should have quite the pitcher of lemonade handy by now....eh?

I feel slighted. Dave has never even so much as made a pass at me.

Many lemons were squeezed over the weekend

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Todd

Reading 1984 again, Todd?

The Black Guy might have to step up and do something if Iran continues it's push for the Bomb.

There is no way that Herman Cain was ever going to be the next "One". Romney? Probably not. Won't someone worthy please step up.

How about someone who would be non controversial, like Bill O'Reily? (calm down, its just a joke )

Nahhh...the updated version...2002-2008.

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Todd

Ap pro po of nothing at all, when I was a kid, long long ago My granny taught me to compliment the ladies when they had a pretty dress or their coif was done in an attractive manner. Currently if you do that, the gals, I won't say ladies, think you are hitting on them and compliments are wasted. Not PC to boot.
Oh well, times and mores change, not always for the better.
To me, so far, the thing Cain has done is show his lack of candor about
the whole mess. He's a politician in a big time match. Honesty is the best policy.

How come #4's boyfriend at the time didn't beat the crap out of Cain?

Because he wasn't there when it happened.

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Todd

Wouldn't catch me trying to put my hand over your mouth....

Actually I know what this is since I've had a few women put they're hands on me in the work place and tell me how great it would be if they had the chance. I never took them up on it though, and I doubt they will be ever running for public office.

Are you saying Todd that if your current girl came home and said some guy did to her that #4 siad Cain did that you wouldn't do anything because you weren't there?

Depends on how hot she is I suppose and at this point it wouldn't matter since I've remarried and plan to stay that way. Guess if you don't want someone to hit on you let your teeth rot out, put on some overalls and forget about bathing.

No, I'm pretty sure I didn't say anything of the sort...I'm also pretty sure that none of us knows what her boyfriend was or was not thinking...nor do I think it's in any way relevant at all.

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Todd

Plus, my girlfriend would kick Cain's balls right out the top of his bald head.

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Todd

Speaking of Herm's balls coming out of his head...

There will be a Herman Cain press conference at 2pm, our time...'bout 40 minutes from now...where he'll be absolutely denying everything, probably deny ever even meeting, knowing, or talking to any of the women whatsoever who are accusing him...he'll probably deny ever even being at the NRA conventions...

And...I'd bet dollars to donuts that the lie that finally sinks his campaign will come out of his mouth during this press conference.

Book it.

This is the one he should have had on Friday and owned up to his misbehavior, couch it in terms of "misunderstandings" and whatnot...he's having it too late, and he's going to lie through his teeth.

After watching Cain a few times, I think I've finally figured out what his problem is...he's a bit of a sociopath, and he has such an enormous opinion of himself that he actually can't even consider the fact that everyone in the world wouldn't love him, and believe whatever he says just because he said it.

He thinks he's too smart to get busted...which proves just how stupid he is.

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Todd

"He thinks he's too smart to get busted...which proves just how stupid he is."

A pretty common fatal flaw.

"he has such an enormous opinion of himself that he actually can't even consider the fact that everyone in the world wouldn't love him, and believe whatever he says just because he said it."

That was so perfect Todd...defines you to a T!!! LMFAO

Nah, I'm sure there's plenty of people in the world who don't love me, or want to believe me...'course, most of them are idiots.

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Todd

My guess on which lie will sink him?

The one where he said he's never met the woman, doesn't recognize her, doesn't recognize her voice, or her name...there will be a picture or a witness that will pop up, and then we'll be back to the same situation as the setlement he forgot, but it was really an agreement that he forgot about, but then remembered.

I also liked how he pulled back on blaming it on Perry and/or Romney, and now blames it on the "Democratic Machine"...

Why the hell would the DNC want to smear Herman Cain? Hell, him winning the nomination would be the quickest path to Obama winning again, short of Bachmann getting the nomination.

If the DNC knew about it, they're probably pissed that some dumbass from Perry or Romney's camp spilled the beans now, rather than letting them spill the beans after Cain gets the nomination

I'll hold my breath waiting for those who were ripping the woman who came out yesterday for having a "celebrity attorney" to apply the same treatment to Cain, since he has his own "celebrity attorney" now...just kidding, I know I'd asphyxiate before any sort of non-hypocrisy would come from the RWWJ's.

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Todd

You guy's hiring? :>)

You're a good guy Todd just don't listen to yourself too much. My kids always tell me to record myself and listen....not a bad idea if you give a rip what others think ...

Here is a picture of the woman that said Cain sexually harrassed her 14 years ago. This picture was taken a month ago. Why is she snuggling up with him in this picture? Sounds like a gold digging bish seeking money and fame.

"Todd, there already is a witness to the tea party meeting."....sounds almost giddy.... eeeeeee oooooo...yippeee...now you know what happened Todd....blah blah blah...who cares?

I bet the women he sexually harrassed care.

So far as what people think about me...it's the InterWebz, if anyone forms many actual opinions from it, I think they're the ones who might need some adjustment

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Todd

I doubt SBD wants you putting your hands on him, either.

Who doesn't?

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Todd

P.S. I actually prefer brunettes, myself

from the Chicago-Sun-Times. looks like she's exactly the lying' bish you though she was when you saw her reading what Gloria Allred wrote for her to say:


The Cain Encounter ...

They hugged each other backstage in a full embrace like old friends.

She grabbed his arm and whispered in his left ear.

She kept talking as he bent to listen, and he kept saying “Uh, huh. Uh, huh.”

Huh?

“I don’t know if what she was giving him was a sucker punch, but he didn’t put his arm down while she was talking to him,” said the Sneed source.

◆The “he”... is GOP presidential contender Herman Cain, who has been accused of sexual harassment by several women.

◆The “she”... is Chicagoan Sharon Bialek, who held a news conference Tuesday as the only woman to PUBLICLY accuse Cain of sexual harassment.

◆The Sneed source ... is WIND radio co-host Amy Jacobson, who tells Sneed she witnessed the Cain/Bialek encounter a month ago while backstage at the AM 560 WIND sponsored TeaCon meeting in Schaumburg Sept. 30-Oct. 1 at the Renaissance Hotel and Convention Center.

◆Quoth Jacobson: “I had turned on TV to find out who was Cain’s accuser, and I almost fell over when I saw it was Sharon Bialek accusing Cain of groping her genitals.”

“I was waiting for Herman Cain’s ‘Accuser No. 4’ to surface — and up pops Sharon!”

“I couldn’t believe it. I was shocked.”

“I recall Sharon was hell bent on going backstage at the TeaCon convention — where she cornered him,” said Jacobson.

“I was surprised to hear she claims she did not know Cain was going to be there. Cain was expected and was late.”

Bialek told the media on Monday: “I went up to him and asked him if he remembered me. I wanted to see if he would be man enough to own up to what he had done 14 years ago.”

◆The encounter: “It looked sort of flirtatious,” said Jacobson. “I mean they were hugging. But she could have been giving him the kiss of death for all I know. I had no idea what they were talking about, but she was inches from his ear.”

◆The introduction: “It all began when I took a convention break and joined my pals at the hotel bar. Sharon was drinking Mimosas with them. She said she was a Republican, a Tea Party member, had once dated [White Sox sports announcer’ Steve Stone] and had worked at WGN radio.”

◆The rendezvous: Sharon also said she was anxious to meet Cain again and had once gone to an afterparty with him and her boyfriend years ago. But she never mentioned he had sexually harassed her.”

WTF are you talking about?

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Todd

I can see it's from the article...I just can't decipher what the point is.

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Todd

That the bitches lied...as attention whoring bimbos are known to do.

Hard to believe that in this day and age stupid bitches have to lie in order to get attention....all they really have to do for the negative attention is post 10's of thousands of mostly worthless emotional crappy posts on several fishing bulletin boards.

I was talking about Todd.

If Cain really believes the ladies are lieing, why not file suit today against them all for slander?

Looks like four of the five ladies that Cain allegedly harrassed and/or groped will be having a joint press conference to direcly contradict his "absolute" denials from yesterday...

All they need is one witness, one photograph...and Cain's house of cards comes tumbling down.

In spite of Cain saying "It ain't gonna happen" regarding him ending his Presidential bid, I'm still thinking that my original prediction of "gone by Thanksgiving" is pretty good, if not too generous to Cain.

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Todd

Damn...is this the final straw that breaks the back of the Cain campaign?



http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/68146.html

By PATRICK GAVIN

11/11/11 9:46 AM EST Updated: 11/11/11 11:52 AM EST

Mustache group shaves Cain support

Herman Cain has plenty of problems to deal with at the moment, so why not add one more coal to the fire: The American Mustache Institute has decided to withdraw its endorsement of the former Godfather’s Pizza CEO.

In October, the Institute announced that was throwing its support behind Cain for, well, the obvious reasons.

“Mr. Cain would be the first Mustached American President of the United States since William Howard Taft, thus inspiring a new generation of good looking and fearless Mustached American leadership and public service,” said the group (hey, it’s a real organization!)

But they’ve had a change of heart.

First, the accusations of sexual harassment have the Institute’s mustache twitching.

“We’d be kidding ourselves if we didn’t say it caused us some concern,” said Aaron Perlut, the group’s chairman, who admits that the Institute carries about its business in tongue-in-cheek fashion. “We’re an organization that is principally involved in using humor to promote facial hair and we have little interest in having our good name being dragged through the mud based on something that may or may not be true.”

Second, the quality of Cain’s ‘stache created a hairy situation internally at the Institute.

“We’ve had a number of sources come to us and say it is in fact a theater-quality mustache,” Perlut told POLITICO. (For non-mustache aficionados, Perlut explains that “theater quality” refers to a mustache that appears “convincing” as a full, proud mustache but doesn’t stand up under closer examination.)

Third, and this might seem a little cheesy, but Godfather’s Pizza just left a bad taste in the Institute’s mouth. Perlut says that a fellow AMI member was disappointed during a recent pizza parlor visit, saying that their all-meat combo was far too sparse in its meat volume.

Lastly, Cain rejected the Institute’s proposal to allow mustached Americans to deduct $250 for the incidental costs for proper mustache maintenance.

(You quickly get the sense here, that the American Mustache Institute didn’t think their initial endorsement through carefully enough.)

On Friday, Cain laughed off the loss of the endorsement.

“I think my campaign can withstand the blow,” he said during an appearance on Fred Dicker’s radio show on Talk 1300 AM in Albany. “I will get a cup of coffee, wipe the tears from my eyes, and then move right on.”

Although they’ve since withdrawn their support, Cain wasn’t the first political candidate to receive an endorsement from the A.M.I., which has thrown its backing behind the mustached Bob Barr and Ed Lee. Perlut also said ‘it was quite exciting when President Obama nominated and ultimately succeeded in placing Eric Holder in the Attorney General’s role because he’s the first mustached American Attorney General since the 1940s.”

But the outlook for mustached men in power is not good. Perlut says there are fewer than 30 members of Congress with facial hair, thanks, in part, to changes in popular culture that came about during the 1980s. “Once Walter Cronkite left the airwaves in 1981, most newsmen became clean shaven and it has a trickle down affect,” he said.

It’s unlikely that the Institute will consider anyone else for president, saying that “there’s a dearth of candidates that we’d be comfortable in getting behind.” Perlut says they “would have taken a good hard look at John Bolton had he made a run, but we try to be apolitical and he tends to be fairly polarizing.”

CORRECTION - An earlier version of this story referred to Cain having a ‘cedar-quality’ mustache. The proper term is ‘theater-quality.’

This will cause quite a stir amongst those in this country who are both moustachioed and somewhat insane...I mean, when Cain was endorsed by the AMI, it was an easy call if you have a mustache and are insane...you'd vote for Cain.

Now the mustached insane amongst us have a big decision to make:

Transfer their support over to the other most insane candidate, Michelle Bachmann, or spit in the face of their national support group and vote for Cain, in spite of the AMI's stance.

I'm sure glad that I shaved my moustache off (that, and that I'm not insane)...this would be a tough call to make.

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Todd

Great! Now I've got to F'n shave.......


Fishy

And...predictably...Cain steps on his dick...again...

"Did you hear the latest news today? Anita Hill is going to come out..."

Hahahahahaha.

"Is she going to endorse me?"

Hardy har har.

This "man" does not have the brains or judgment to be on the PTA, much less any governmental position.



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Todd

Shitferbrain Cain needs to realize that there are cameras and microphones everywhere these days, and that there will always...always...be a handful of them both pointed at him.

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Todd

Racist.

Nah...I'm a "Stupidist"...meaning I find stupid people running for public office to be...well, stupid.

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Todd

The pool is vast.

Fuckin-A.

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Todd